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Thread: The "True Origin" of the Tornado and Max's Powers? My Thoughts on Chloe/Ending

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    Question The "True Origin" of the Tornado and Max's Powers? My Thoughts on Chloe/Ending

    Hi guys!

    This is my first post here on this forum and it's gonna be a long one so brace yourself. First of all, it's so great to meet you all! Little background on me before I get into this.

    I left Life is Strange on the back burner for an unforgivable amount of time which was a really stupid thing to do because it is an amazing game and I'm so glad I got to be a part of the experience. I love games focused on interactive storytelling and I write for a living so I am especially hooked on that genre in particular. I am also a huge fan of the The Walking Dead game series (Season 3, not so much though).

    That being said, Life is Strange was a great game with a great story but I can’t help but feel that the ending was not satisfying. At least to me personally. Let me explain why..


    What do we know about the Tornado that was preordained by Max to wipe out Arcadia Bay? Not a whole lot really. Except that it MAY have been caused by Max using her powers. But why did she get those powers? And what does Chloe have to do with it? We know that Max got her powers around the same time that she witnessed Nathan Prescott shoot Chloe in cold blood. She was able to rewind the sequence and return to the classroom. Now I’m assuming this is how Chloe Price’s story arc in relation to Max’s powers is introduced, it is implied that she has something to do with the emergence of Max’s powers. However, I argue that she doesn’t at all, and I believe that the storytelling could have been better here IF that were the original intention.

    Throughout the game and through the eyes of Max, we see how Chloe is seemingly fated to die. Every time you save her some other calamity occurs that results in her death and a rewind. But in the grand scheme of things, I feel like this was jammed into the story for the sake of a tragic plot. And with the constant comparison to the Tornado, it seems like the story tries to tell you that Chloe is the catalyst behind the Tornado and complete disaster and for all intents and purposes, needs to die. However, that sounds like bogus to me. No one knows the true origin of the Tornado. From my perspective, I believe that Max’s constant use of rewind might have INDIRECTLY caused it but she didn’t really cause it herself, something else did.

    It appears that some mother nature being/universal entity handpicked Max to be gifted these powers, and what is the true purpose of these powers? I think it may be to uncover the truth behind the negative energy that Arcadia Bay is dispelling into the world, and to put a stop to it (Jefferson/Prescott corruption). This appears to be the game's focus, but that shifts at times also (I'll explain later). However this also only raises more questions though. What is the universal entity? What is it from a morality point of view? If it is behind Max’s acquisition of her powers then technically she is not to blame. She is simply a fated victim. The true origin of the Tornado stems from this faceless entity that we don’t know anything about.

    Now I’m sure a lot of you were torn up by the ending where the game essentially forces you to pick Arcadia Bay over your best friend. The needs of the many outweigh the few right? That was incredibly hard for me to do, to the point where I couldn’t even do it myself. But it had me thinking when I reflected, why even have that as a choice? It didn’t make sense to me and it was unnecessarily tragic. As Max, you felt like you were essentially used to play the role of savior to save a town that you semi-give a $%^& about because you discover that maybe a lot of the bad people there aren’t as bad as they seem. But the true significance of Life is Strange has always been the beautiful relationship dynamics between Max and Chloe. That’s the focus. But I feel like it went unnecessarily out of focus throughout at times and near the ending so that you are forced into a heroic role instead.

    All it takes is one rewind to fix it all, right back to the beginning where you took the picture of the butterfly. Rip up the picture and let your best friend die. Now I ask you this, why would that stop the Tornado? Max has already changed time even by jumping ALL the way back to the beginning. Does every use of her power disappear and is reset when she’s back at the beginning? But how do the timelines work then? Are Max’s use of her powers bend reality outside the plane of time so they are always counted? If that’s the case, she’s already messed with time, so letting Chloe die may not stop the Tornado.

    Let’s say for logic purposes that every instance of Max using her powers and changing reality from A to B disappears when she jumps back to the beginning. Again the same question arises, why would letting Chloe die stop the Tornado? Max has accumulated a ton of knowledge and already changes the timeline by busting Nathan Prescott and Jefferson. Again, a lot of weight is given to Chloe and to the decision that you shouldn’t mess with time, but you have yet again changed the timeline by using your knowledge to change the future. Apply chaos theory here and the mother nature calamity is an eventuality, whether it be a Tornado or something else.

    Let’s go back to the bathroom scene with Max, Chloe, and Nathan. Now you could argue with chaos theory that the ringing of that one fire alarm is somehow linked to a massive F6 tornado. But that sounds crazy to me. Max doesn't use her powers again after that (and going by the A to B logic) so there shouldn't be a Tornado. If it was the intention for Chloe to die then these are some of the central ideas that leave me questioning whether it was the best course of action. I don’t believe that chaos theory/the butterfly effect can apply if Max allows Chloe to die but still inevitably messes with the timeline by using her time traveling knowledge to save Arcadia Bay. Something still changes that sets up a chain reaction of reactions down the road even if she doesn't use her powers again.

    In my opinion, (and since I’ve already seen this in a ton of movies like the Butterfly Effect), I would have liked a different story where Max overcame unsurmountable odds, even cheating and breaking the rules of reality for her friend, giving the universe a middle finger and still being able to save Arcadia Bay. Seems like a cliché happy ending, but it’s kind of not, it would have left the rewind power and the future of the world ambiguous because of Max’s decisions to break the rules. Something even worse could be coming.

    Here are some final thoughts though: Arcadia Bay isn’t still technically saved. The Prescotts are still in power and their corruption is still prevalent. The elite are not toppled that easily. They bounce back. Bravo you stopped Jefferson, but people are still suffering so what really changed? Max may still have more work to do which may require her to use her powers again. What was the universal entity even trying to do? If it's not the entity then what is it? So many questions yet no answers.

    TLR? Sorry.

    If you read it all the way through then you have my thanks!

    Please tell me your thoughts.

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    I agree that saving your friend doesnt lead to a tornado just because butterfly effect/chaos theory. Thats like saying "If i go back in time and fart then the Mars explodes". And this Chloe is destined to die thing is wrong too because the dev confirmed that its not true.

    My theory is that the Tornado is nature's wrath itself and its origin is Chloe and her rage towards Arcadia Bay.

    Its obvious that Max received her rewind power from the butterfly spirit. What was Max using it for? To protect Chloe and to help finding Rachel. But why is Chloe so important to give a girl time travel powers? Why would animal spirits care about some random girls? The answer is that they dont, they care about nature. Its proven that the consequence of Max using her powers is the destruction of Arcadia Bay and the butterfly spirit probably knew about this since the doe spirit knew about it too and the raven spirit was also able to see the future in BTS. So yeah, it looks like the butterfly spirit wanted Arcadia Bay destroyed and let naute take over. He wants to do this probably because the local industry is polluting the environment, messing up the ecosystem and killing the wildlife (dead whales, dead birds...).

    While the butterfly spirit wanted Arcadia Bay's destruction, the doe spirit was trying to prevent it. She warned Max about it in visions and she received the longest vision about it right after Chloe stated she wants to destroy Arcadia Bay. Also in Max's "nightmare" the doe is leading Max back to the bathroom, telling her to go back there and undo what she did. Maybe the doe was even trying to kill Chloe when she gave Max a tornado vision right when Chloe got stuck in the train rails. I dont really know why she wants to save the town but i think it goes well with a gentle spirit like the doe that she doesnt want a genocide.

    Many people think that the doe is Rachel and she is trying to get her body found based on that she was near her body but the doe was basically leading Max and the player away from Rachel's "grave". If i would be a dead spirit and i want to be found i would lead people to my grave and start imitating digging on top of it and not running away from it.

    I dont think Max's "nightmare" was just a dream but a vision from the spirits to manipulate her (in general we dont see dreams in LIS and BTS but visions from the sprits). Each segment of the "nightmare" is pushing Max (and the player) towards to choose the save Arcadia Bay or save Chloe ending. Every segment of it was making Max love/hate the people of Arcadia Bay or making Max love/hate Chloe. It was like the butterfly and doe spirit was fighting to convince Max to choose the ending they prefer.

    So how can Chloe cause a tornado? I think the spirits gave her some kind of water and air controling power like they gave rewind power to Max, but unlike her she doesnt know about it. Supporting this is that Chloe is one of the name of the greek goddess Demeter who was known for her power over water and air in Arcadia(!), and Demeter's emblem is the poppy which can be found on Chloe's tattoo. Another hint to that Chloe has some kind of power is that Frank tends refers to her and Max as a famous duo, Bonnie and Clyde, Hardy boys, Thelma and Louise, Abbot and Costello and the Wonder Twins. The first four is on point but the Wonder Twins can only match them if they both have superpowers. Also its hinted that the tornado is something magical by the strange Glyphs that can be found around the lightshouse and they are from the book "La Horde du Contrevent" which is about stopping a magical wind.

    In BTS Rachel is in the same situation as Chloe in LIS. Its hinted that she has some kind of fire power from the spirits too. Her name is Amber, she meets Chloe at a Firewalk concert, has a cone of fire shirt, she starts an unnaturally fast spreading fire, it looks like her rage is fueling the fire and the fire miraculously stop right after she gets almost killed and falls unconscious. I think she is also receiving visions from the spirits like Max and Chloe (and Samuel). She randomly pops up and saves Chloe, randomly meets her at the door, randomly skips school to go on an adventure to a random place where she randomly sees her father cheating with her real mother and she knows about how awesome Chloe was with Drew and the bouncer when she wasnt there. The raven gave a vision to Chloe so she can find Rachel (and give her a lighter to start the fire) so he probalby also manipulated Rachel like this. There is just too much "conciedence" if they were not led by visions. Yet again a spirit's actions through an angry teenager led to a catastrophe which could wipe Arcadia Bay of the map. Also its stated by Evan that the fire is good for the ecosystem.

    If we let Chloe die in the bathroom the tornado doesnt happen but when she is killed by Jefferson the Tornado still happen, so something must have happened between the two deaths that triggered the tornado and that is probably Chloe finding Rachels body and enraging her even further. Right after they find it the two moons omen happen and soon the storm starts. If im right and the doe spirit was trying to prevent this then her sad disappearance wasnt because Rachel found peace but because she failed to prevent the storm and now she needs to guilt trip Max into letting her best friend die. If Rachel's rage because her father cheated caused such a fire imagine what the rage can cause when Chloe found out her loved one was molested, murdered and buried at a junkyard like thrash.

    It looks like the spirits are actively fueling Rachel's and Chloe's rage.In BTS the raven spirit is always showing her things that enrage/hurt her. Chloe says its like the universe hates her and yes basically every key character managed to hurt or enrage her in some ways. Max left, William died, Rachel cheated and died, Frank stole Rachel and assisted in her death, Jefferson and Nathan killed Rachel, her mother hooked up with David, David being David, Victoria being Victoria, Wells being Wells. I think even Kate's suicide (attempt) enraged her and probably Warren would to if he could steal Max from her. In BTS the raven spirit is always showing her things that enrage/hurt her too and it looks like he hooked up Rachel and Chloe. I dont think there can be this many conciedence in her life and that the spirits shaped her life like this so she can be their angry walking disaster to destroy the town and to save the environment with it.

    So yeah i think the spirits of Arcadia Bay shaped the events of the games from behind the curtians (explaining the illuminati eye of providence symbol). Choosing to sacrifice Chloe only delayed the towns fate from nature's wrath.

    The scary thing is that this story isn't far from reality. Aside from spirits and powers we are really destroying the environment and more and more forest fires and tornados happen.

    (LOL if im right then Damon and Nathan saved the bay.)

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