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Human augmentation theme just lost all its value (New COD Trailer)

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    Human augmentation theme just lost all its value (New COD Trailer)

    Well, it looks like Call of Duty is getting in on the human augmentation debate and the resulting societal backlash. New Black Ops 3 trailer could easily be a Human Revolution or Mankind Divided trailer. That in itself should be a huge disappointment to Eidos-Montreal, though somehow I feel they are happy that the largest gaming franchise is also exploring the augmentation theme (free advertisement for their game).



    My prediction: like EM's Deex, Black Ops 3 will sell you on the setting of the story but not actually refer to it much during the course of the game.

    This is usually the part where I go on about how augmentation should be merely a vehicle to tell a story about conspiracies and how the societal "revolution" should be more about the abuse of power rather than about morality (which fails to connect with many), but I know I'm wasting my time.
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    I'm just going to pretend that was a fan-made trailer for Human Revolution.

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    Human bionic enhancement theme has lost all value because Activision made a trailer? Because only one publisher is allowed to make games with any specific theme? Wow, people around here do love unnecessary drama.

    Originally Posted by AdrianShephard
    This is usually the part where I go on about how augmentation should be merely a vehicle to tell a story about conspiracies
    Please no.

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    That's a tactical quite if I ever saw one.

    Are you for real though? What do you picture exactly when the word conspiracy is mentioned here?
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    That's a neat trailer though

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    I expect to see a lot more games exploring human augmentation.... times are changing.... and so are we.
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    I don't care if CoD does augmentation. I care when Squeenix says: "we want the CoD audience."
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    Since genetic engineering became pretty advanced, and major discoveries happen every year, I'm not surprised to see the theme of human advancement being used in game. Augmentation especially because that's in the interest of the people who are living in the moment (genetic engineering helps future generations more, can't really affect the genome of all cells in fully grown adult).

    However, I wish they could come up with something other than "scientists play God".

    Originally Posted by AdrianShephard
    This is usually the part where I go on about how augmentation should be merely a vehicle to tell a story about conspiracies and how the societal "revolution" should be more about the abuse of power rather than about morality (which fails to connect with many), but I know I'm wasting my time.
    Because you're word is word of God when it comes to DX. So yeah, don't.

    Originally Posted by Irate_Iguana
    I don't care if CoD does augmentation. I care when Squeenix says: "we want the CoD audience."
    Looks like CoD is doing a great job on the audience transfer, then.

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    Originally Posted by Avenging_Teabag
    Human bionic enhancement theme has lost all value because Activision made a trailer?
    They're making a game.

    Because only one publisher is allowed to make games with any specific theme?
    CoD is one of the most influential franchises in the industry, if only for its fanbase. If the reception is good, I expect to see a new wave of games dealing with the theme. I consider to many games on such a one-dimensional topic to degrade the value of the theme as a whole. This is assuming, of course, that the morality of augmentations, etc. will be the main focus.

    Originally Posted by xaduha3
    What do you picture exactly when the word conspiracy is mentioned here?
    The paranoid neck beard type in a dark room somewhere with skimpy anime girls plastered over his walls, you know, the usual.

    Originally Posted by IvanaKC
    Because you're word is word of God when it comes to DX. So yeah, don't.
    Don't cut yourself on that edge, bud.

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    Originally Posted by xaduha3
    That's a tactical quite if I ever saw one.

    Are you for real though? What do you picture exactly when the word conspiracy is mentioned here?
    Absolutely for real. The loony bin of conspiracy theories was the worst part of Deus Ex. Just embarrassing. Starting with the monastery my eyeballs were permanently on standby to commence with the rolling. Human Revolution did a good thing when they piped that stuff down, and my hope is that MD will keep doing just that.

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    Originally Posted by Avenging_Teabag
    Absolutely for real. The loony bin of conspiracy theories was the worst part of Deus Ex.
    Those weren't conspiracy theories though. Loony? Some were over the top, but the Illuminati in particular are at the very core of Deus Ex. Deus Ex is a game about the human nature and the nature of power.

    The Hand that looms over the Earth? A conspiracy to control the whole globe! That's what it's all about.

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    Originally Posted by AdrianShephard

    This is usually the part where I go on about how augmentation should be merely a vehicle to tell a story about conspiracies and how the societal "revolution" should be more about the abuse of power rather than about morality (which fails to connect with many), but I know I'm wasting my time.
    Abuse of power and morality go hand in hand. You can't discuss one without discussing the other. History proves this time and time again. As for what resonates with the people more? That depends on the people, their circumstances and their value sets.

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    Originally Posted by IvanaKC
    Since genetic engineering became pretty advanced, and major discoveries happen every year, I'm not surprised to see the theme of human advancement being used in game.
    Indeed.

    And I'll just leave this THIS here.

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    Originally Posted by Lady_Of_The_Vine
    Indeed.

    And I'll just leave this THIS here.
    My literal reaction:



    Almost fell from my bed.


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    Originally Posted by AdrianShephard
    CoD is one of the most influential franchises in the industry, if only for its fanbase. If the reception is good, I expect to see a new wave of games dealing with the theme. I consider to many games on such a one-dimensional topic to degrade the value of the theme as a whole. This is assuming, of course, that the morality of augmentations, etc. will be the main focus.
    How many themes have been devalued by popularity? Can you name a couple?
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    Originally Posted by EternalAmbiguity
    How many themes have been devalued by popularity? Can you name a couple?
    WWII, desert -- "modern" -- warfare (inspired by modern Middle East conflicts), zombies, music based games like Guitar Hero, sports games in the mid-2000s (before it was only 2K/Madden), etc.

    Those are the obvious ones. Hope that is satisfactory.

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    Originally Posted by AdrianShephard
    WWII, desert -- "modern" -- warfare (inspired by modern Middle East conflicts), zombies, music based games like Guitar Hero, sports games in the mid-2000s (before it was only 2K/Madden), etc.

    Those are the obvious ones. Hope that is satisfactory.
    Your response makes me wonder what you mean by "devalued." Because while i agree that these over-saturated the market, I don't see how that makes the theme itself inherently devalued.

    Maybe I'm not the best to argue it, since I didn't care for any of those themes when they first appeared and still don't. But I would say a theme exists separate of how it's portrayed. Did the oversaturation lessen the impact of The Last Of Us (I've never played it, but I know it's highly regarded) or The Walking Dead (same)? And in one specific instance it only gave impact to the theme on modern warfare--Spec Ops: The Line.
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    Big Grin Deus Ex devs take the piss out of Black Ops 3

    Deus Ex devs take the piss out of Black Ops 3

    Lol the devs are having fun

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    JJB is crazy funny.

    We lied guyz. Deus Ex: Mankind Divided actually takes place on the Eastern Front during World War 2. We felt inspired
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    Originally Posted by Lady_Of_The_Vine
    I knew it!


    They shouldn't stop pushing with this humor, though. Otherwise when CoD and DXMD come out, fanboys will point a finger and say that DX is a rip off of CoD. -.-

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    Originally Posted by Avenging_Teabag
    Absolutely for real. The loony bin of conspiracy theories was the worst part of Deus Ex. Just embarrassing. Starting with the monastery my eyeballs were permanently on standby to commence with the rolling. Human Revolution did a good thing when they piped that stuff down, and my hope is that MD will keep doing just that.
    Human Revolution had a dull and uninteresting story thanks to "piping that stuff down." Is pathetically chasing your ex-girlfriend so much more entertaining than unraveling global conspiracies? And then the conspiracies that did exist were shallow and unbelievable. The entire franchise is about conspiracies, and always has been. The conspiracies are what drive the whole story for every game. Human Revolution only suffered for it sitting on the backburner. You talk about the original Deus Ex like it was all so unrealistic when the fact is that almost everything they talked about in that game is and has been happening in real life to some extent. The original Deus Ex had a story rooted in real life, and overwhelmingly relevant commentary as a result. Human Revolution is just another futurist playground with nothing unique to say about modern society. Oh, the haves and have-nots? What an original idea that totally hasn't been beaten to death by the real life news.

    Originally Posted by EternalAmbiguity
    Your response makes me wonder what you mean by "devalued." Because while i agree that these over-saturated the market, I don't see how that makes the theme itself inherently devalued.
    Over-saturation is the same thing as devaluation, or at the very least leads directly to it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_saturation

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    For example, in advanced economies an extremely high percentage of households own refrigerators (more than 97% of households). Hence, the diffusion rate is more than 97%, and the market is said to be saturated; i.e. further growth of sales of refrigerators will occur basically only as a result of population growth and in cases where one manufacturer is able to gain market share at the expense of others.
    I realize this isn't entirely relevant, as there is no 97% of gamers who own any one game or system, but it also applies to how readily available something is. Eight e-cigarette shops opened up within two towns of me over the last three years, and all but two of them have closed. Same with multiple developers using one specific setting, theme, or genre across the industry.
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    Originally Posted by Shralla
    Over-saturation is the same thing as devaluation, or at the very least leads directly to it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_saturation



    I realize this isn't entirely relevant, as there is no 97% of gamers who own any one game or system, but it also applies to how readily available something is. Eight e-cigarette shops opened up within two towns of me over the last three years, and all but two of them have closed. Same with multiple developers using one specific setting, theme, or genre across the industry.
    Not comparable. We're not talking about a good. We're talking about a concept.

    And this really brings up the difference between a "fiscal" value and a "quality" value. Market saturation forces a product to improve to remain competitive. So while the monetary value of something may decrease, the quality is forced to remain the same or higher (outside of some industry-wide change).

    To address your example, did the overabundance of the shops mean the cigarettes were now poor quality? Of course not (but that's what's being argued here). There just wasn't a market for so many.

    You're talking about money, when the OP is talking about quality.
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    It might be a good thing, IF EM shifts their focus from "Augs vs Purists" theme to something a bit more sophisticated. Leave the former to CoD.

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